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  A few questions for believers

  by keyser soze in

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  when confronted with all of the inconsistencies and atrocities of the bible, many believers invariably claim that they don't base their faith in christ on what's written in the bible.

  so what is the basis then, if not scripture?.

  and please don't tell me "the lord has revealed himself to me".

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  keyser soze

  If there are errors in Josephus writings' does it follow that everything in it is therefore made up?

  It follows that its reliability should be questioned. It follows that if there are errors, it can't be divinely inspired. When it comes to the bible, how does one determine what is inspired and what isn't? Does one pick and choose based on their belief system? I find the fall back position of many Christians to be "Ignore the nasty stuff in the Old Testament, and only trust the nice stuff about Jesus". This seems like a convenient copout to me.

  Atheists do use this argument a lot but do not seem to be willing to do the research for themselves to find the truth of the matter .

  It seems a little presumptuous to assert that only Christians are willing to put in the necessary work to determine the bible's authenticity; as if atheism were something entered into without thought or effort.

  It's a moot point anyway, at least as far as this thread is concerned. I wasn't attempting to spark a debate on whether or not the bible is inspired, though I have my own opinion on the matter. It was directed at people who proclaim a faith in Christ, while claiming that faith doesn't come from a book. From where does validation of their faith come, if not the bible?
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  A few questions for believers

  by keyser soze in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when confronted with all of the inconsistencies and atrocities of the bible, many believers invariably claim that they don't base their faith in christ on what's written in the bible.

  so what is the basis then, if not scripture?.

  and please don't tell me "the lord has revealed himself to me".

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  keyser soze

  Hope this helps.

  It didn't. The question is how does God reveal himself, and how do you know it isn't simply confirmation bias on your part. Nothing you stated addressed that.

  If you think we have a right to life, then MUCH of what God has done will appear wrong.

  No, it appears wrong if you believe he created us in his image and instilled in us a moral code.
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  A few questions for believers

  by keyser soze in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when confronted with all of the inconsistencies and atrocities of the bible, many believers invariably claim that they don't base their faith in christ on what's written in the bible.

  so what is the basis then, if not scripture?.

  and please don't tell me "the lord has revealed himself to me".

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  keyser soze

  Your thread title might have been: Questions for Bible believers.

  Actually, it was intended for those who don't believe in the bible, but still identify themselves as Christian. But your point is duly noted. I just don't see how Christianity can exist without it. If the bible isn't the inerrant word of God, than Jesus was just a regular guy with an entourage, if he existed at all.
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  A few questions for believers

  by keyser soze in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when confronted with all of the inconsistencies and atrocities of the bible, many believers invariably claim that they don't base their faith in christ on what's written in the bible.

  so what is the basis then, if not scripture?.

  and please don't tell me "the lord has revealed himself to me".

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  keyser soze

  I hear you. It's just the whole "The lord revealed himself to me, that's how I know" spiel that I'm trying to understand. I've gotten this on multiple occasions, and I really don't know what it means.
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  House to House Board Game

  by BlackSwan of Memphis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.ministryideaz.com/house-to-house-board-game-p/h2h.htm.

  i thought you guys would like it.

  required accessories (not included): new world translation of the holy scriptures, reasoning from the scriptures.

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  keyser soze

  A house to house board game. These people sure know how to cut loose.
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  A few questions for believers

  by keyser soze in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when confronted with all of the inconsistencies and atrocities of the bible, many believers invariably claim that they don't base their faith in christ on what's written in the bible.

  so what is the basis then, if not scripture?.

  and please don't tell me "the lord has revealed himself to me".

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  keyser soze

  When confronted with all of the inconsistencies and atrocities of the bible, many believers invariably claim that they don't base their faith in Christ on what's written in the bible. So what is the basis then, if not scripture?

  And please don't tell me "The lord has revealed himself to me". That's not really an answer. How has he revealed himself, exactly? How do you know, unequivocably, that this is what's happening, as opposed to it being merely confirmation bias on your part?

  This isn't an attempt to mock. I ask with all sincerity. After leaving the JWs, I tried hard to hang on to my faith, but the lord revealed nothing to me. Was I not worthy enough? Or did he do so, and I just missed it? If it was the latter, why would he do so in a way I could not discern?
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  Governing Body Signing the New Bibles?

  by What Now? in

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  my husband said that this was mentioned in a video he watched?

  i can't seem to find anything.

  can anyone confirm this?

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  I would have it appraised by a signature expert. A GB member's autograph? Hoo baby! That's gonna be worth some serious cash. Right up there with Willie Mays' rookie card.
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  Autumn...

  by new hope and happiness in

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  i've just glanced out my window and i saw the most picturesque countryside.

  i do believe we're entering autumn.

  so summer has had its day and like an old friend slipped away and we moves on...how do you feel about entering autumn?.

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  keyser soze

  However, with Saturn headed for Sagittarius this winter and the inherent risk of cults that this gives, plus that hounders (and judges) can and will abuse it by enforcing your former baptism as a legally binding contract, this fall is not entirely without its hazards. It also means, with Neptune headed for 9 Pisces next spring, your silver-gathering season is nearing its end. They are running down prices to scare everyone out of silver, and driving up stock prices to sucker people to buy stocks. When they pull the plug, and Neptune in 9 Pisces is a good point for that to happen, they will give no warning. Your stocks will not be worth the paper they are printed on (and neither will your toilet paper dollars you thought were going to hold their value), and silver will not be available except through extremely hard labor.

  Um, what?
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  Will JW.ORG actually harm the WT Society Long Term ?

  by flipper in

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  my son and i were discussing this yesterday over coffee.

  since the wt society in previous years virtually demonized going on the internet at all for jw's - now wt leaders are doing a complete turn around or about face probably so as to " compete " or keep up with all the anti-jw websites that are out there to give the wt society point of view.. however- it very well may backfire on them as once people start doing google searches looking for jw.org it will bring up all the other websites dealing with any jw issues and in the privacy of their own homes out of curiosity i'm sure lots of jw's are going to want to check out some of these sites to see what all the " apostate " hoopla is all about.

  i wonder how many jw's will do this and will it have an effect in opening more minds to other views ?

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  keyser soze

  now WT leaders are doing a complete turn around or about face probably so as to " compete " or keep up with all the anti-JW websites that are out there to give the WT Society point of view.

  That's exactly what it is- damage control. Even they understand that we live in the information and technology age, and that they can't shelter their members from it forever. The majority of JWs, at least in developed countries, already have access to the internet, despite the WT's warnings about it. All they can hope to do is counter the information that's out there with their own propaganda.
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  One Day Assembly Costs How Much, WTF?

  by NoMoreHustle in

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  the recent circuit assembly day cost get this... $17,0000 in an assembly hall that they own!

  this was announced during the assmbly at the 3/4 mark of days activities.

  after he said how much the assembly cost, he then proceeded to say that we have recieved $6,000 in donations up to this point of the day.

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  keyser soze

  For a one day event in their own facility?

  My thought exactly. Seems pretty inflated, even for them. I've always wondered about the expenses incurred at an assembly, especially since they stopped serving food, and the labor is free.

  Ok, so there's bathroom supplies, and water and electricity. Those couldn't possibly add up to that much could they? Unless I'm missing something.